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Why are you reluctant to appear before the Oputa panel to answer questions over Dele Giwa's death?

I am not reluctant to answer questions on Dele Giwa's death. You should remember that sometime ago I spoke to you and I swore by the Bible that I have nothing to do, and I know nothing about, his death. And that is the fact. But appearing before the Oputa panel is not the issue. There is a court injunction that Oputa cannot compel me to appear before him. Oputa himself is aware of that injunction. In fact the main action of that injunction is coming up in the court of Appeal on September 17 this year.

So, I respect the court and I believe that I should not disobey the court by appearing before him.

People believe that your recourse to court injunction is because you are afraid, because you are hiding something over Dele Giwa's death?

Nobody is afraid. I know that General Babangida, General Akilu and myself have a court injunction on this Oputa Panel. But there is nothing like being afraid. People tend to forget this case went to court. It got to Supreme court and at every level, judgements were given. Are we saying now that we have lost faith in the judiciary? Are they saying that all the justices, all the judges that sat on the case didn't know what they were doing. This case went to court. The first time the Supreme Court said Order of Mandamus should be given to Gani. This was after the Appeal court dismissed it. It was sent back to the higher court. The case was heard. February 23, 1988 the judgement was given which even made the headline in Newspapers that Togun, Akilu can't be charged. It is not a matter of being afraid. After Justice Longe delivered his judgement on 23 February 1988, why did Gani not appeal against the judgement? Till today he has not appealed. Also we took him to court over libel. As I am taking to you now, Gani has refused to file a defence. All he did was to go back to court that it should re-open the trial.

Gani is just dancing all over the place, trivialising a very serious matter, something that involves life.

But many people beleive that the mystery over this death has gone on far too long and that it is time that it is unravelled. That explains why many believe that perhaps if you go to Oputa Panel there might be fresh insight into what happened

Oputa Panel, I don't know. I think it was supposed to investigate violations of human rights. But this is a murder accusation on which the court said there is no substance. Retired Deputy Inspector General of Police, Dr. Chris Omeben came up the other day in Thenews Magazine that he was ready to open up if there is on investigation on the case. And in the preface of the same Magazine, Ray Ekpu, the Chief Executive Officer of the Newswatch magazine said after reading the Omeben interview that he would dissect him bit by bit and make him (Omoben) look like a fool in the eyes of the world. This was July 30 edition of the magazine. Since then, Ray Ekpu has not dissected Omeben bit by bit. He has not made him look like a fool. All he has said is that the man should come to Oputa Panel. why Oputa Panel? Why don't they want the police to investigate this thing? Why has Newswatch been dodging the police? Let this case be re-opened, let the police investigate it. Omeben has his own evidences, I have mine, others have theirs.

Which means you are ready to appear before the police?

I am ready. Omeben said it. They asked him 'why didn't he write us'. He said he invited Akilu and Akilu made statements. Because Omeben didn't see anything linking me with it that is why he didn't invite me. He said because akilu phoned Dele Giwa's House asking for direction so, he was suspected and that was why he was invited. And the man went there and made a statement.

It therefore means that Akilu's statement satisfied them, that was why they let him go. They couldn't call me because they didn't see anything linking me Because one interviewed somebody, is that enough to say he killed the person?

Before we go further, you were the last to interrogate him, what was the nature of the interrogation?

There are some background to this thing and I want to build the answer from there. Like I told you before, it was not my schedule to talk to journalists. But when I got to SSS, I knew that there was decree 4 of the Buhari/Idiagbon which was straining the relationship between the security and them. so, I directed that they should get the editor of newspapers for me. I signed the letter inviting them. There was one Jerry who was in charge of the public relations outfit of the SSS them.

So, he got the letters circulated. The people came. Some of them said they came before it was a soldier that signed the document. That if it were somebody else, thing would have come to the SSS. So, I discussed with them, I told them why they should be close relationship between the press and the security, because the security needs the press. So, I analysed this thing with them and told them to forget decree 4. Even some of them were saying are you sure that you people would not make another one. So I assured them that nothing if such would be done. I remember that Lad Bone (Mr. Lade Bonuola is the Managing Director of Comet Newspapers) was one of them.

After the meeting, people phoned me that only the editors of the dailies were invited, that I did not invite the weekly. And I had to explain that I just signed the letters already addressed.

So, on October 7, 1986, the Directorate of Military Intelligence under Akilu organised a seminar at the Command mess I in Marina on Mass Media & National Security. Two of us gave lectures on the day. I gave a lecture and M.C. K Ajuluchujwu gave another lecture. After that there were questions.

There were many top editors and managing directors there. They now requested that there was need for a public Relations outfit in the military intelligence so that they would be dealing directly with such organ and not the main security people. Again, we agreed that day that a lot of Nigerians were not security conscious and that if we hear anything, we should not take it too official, we should invite them educate to them. It was in that spirit that I had to intervene in Dele's matter.

The first time Dele-Giwa came, it was not my schedule. With due respect, I was too senior to be involved in the interrogation of a journalist. I was the number two man. But I had directed that if they had any problem with any journalist, I should be informed.

It was one woman, I think Mrs Aliyu or so, it was her schedule. As at 1986, she was a Deputy Commissioner of Police. But even at that, Dele-Giwa said she was too junior to talk to him. They disagreed. Eventually the woman came and complained to me and I followed her, and the issue which was in respect of his article was restolved and they left.

What about the complaint about..... Alozie Ogugbuaja?

That was his second visit. When the man was coming the second time, the woman came to me that they were inviting Dele again. I even joked with the woman and said "oh, you mean your boyfriend is coming again?' Then I said okay, madam, I will help you one more time.

And I asked the woman what they wanted to discuss with him and it was the woman that briefed me on what thing wanted to find out from him.

When he came, we greeted and began to chat. I then said 'okay Dele we learnt that you want to write an article about Ebitu Ukiwe'. He said no. I said 'nobody says you should not write an article. But you should know that tribal sentiment is very high now on this issue. All we want is that please don't let your article ignite a tribal crisis. That was all.

On Ogbuguaja the police boy, I told Dele, 'you are blowing this thing out of proportion' and he asked why I felt so. I said because the way you people have been talking or commenting on this Ogbuguaja, even in your Newswatch, why don't you go to the police and find out what this boy has done wrong and see what you can do to help him. Because he is a mass media practitioner and now in a police uniform, does that mean that you have to criticise the police and find fault with them. I said for instance, people should know that the military-Army, navy, Airforce, Para-military Police, Immigrations, Customs and other forces have their own rules and regulations different from the Nigerian constitution which binds all of us. I said even the NBA as well as the Nigeria Medical Association, that have their own code of conduct. So, this is the same thing in this case. I said further that it is like a football match, if you commit any offence, the refree blows the whistle.

And I gave the example of Colonel Yohanna Madaki. That was when he was the governor of Gongola, that Madaki got a red card and he laughed. Dele then said he had discussed with the Inspector General of Police, Alhaji Muhammadu Gambo on the issue and that he had even spoken with Akilu and that he appealed to Akilu to use his position and talk to the police to temper justice with mercy. He said Akilu just said he was not a police man. He said he started appealing to him.

When we mentioned the reason why he was invited, he said that he had already discussed the issues with Akilu on phone the previous day. I said there was no need to discuss it any further. Then he asked what was my source. I said if journalists would not disclose their source, why would you expect the security to disclose their source and he laughed. He then said he knew some people were out to blackmail his company. But before that time, he had even told us alot. He told us how close he was to General Babangida. I then asked him, are you sure you haven't got people who are envious of your position or just jealous and as such wanted to start this rumour to discredit you before these people. He said he didn't know who would want to do that. I said infact something like that happened to me. I told him that in 1984, I was commanding the security group in Apapa, DMI. Somebody related to Babangida that I wanted to do coup because I wanted to be Chief of Army Staff. And I jokingly asked whether I would be risking my life to plan a coup and I would only go for office of the chief of Staff and not the Head of State.

General Babangida sent the letter through General Akilu to me. The next morning my report, a comprehensive detail of my denial, was ready. When I took it to Akilu, he threw it back at me andf said "Had it been they believed it you think they would show you? They will monitor you and the day they see small evidence, they will pounce on you. And so I said Dele believed, they would not write you to come. They will start monitoring you and in case they saw any evidence, that is when they will pounce on you. They sent you the report because they didn't believe it."

After narrating this incident to Dele we began to have a more relaxed interractions. From then we joked and joked until I told him I was to leave for a meeting. I told him to tell Ray Ekpu that I saw his article in the Newswatch and that I would tease him whenever I see him.

Dele was not the only one we invited at that period. I remember Nojeem Jimoh, then the editor of PUNCH. His own case was more serious than Dele Giwa's. Let Nojeem Jimoh come forward. I proved to him when there was death of some students at Ahmadu Bello, that they were on dangerous path. I recall they said they wanted to do sympathy something, nobody was jailed nobody was harrased. I told him not to allow himself to be used. "Do not start a bloodshed. Don't let your paper be used", I advised him.

You claim not to know anything about Dele Giwa's death yet there is a saying in Yoruba about the witch crying yesterday and the child dying today. You interrogated Dele Giwa, then 48 hours later he was bombed...

That is not enough to say I killed him. I will tell you something. I have been reading this master and two detectives magazine. There are occassions that type of thing happens. There is the case of a woman who had problems with a black boy, a young man. He threatened the woman, the woman called the police, they picked the boy up, documented him, warned him and let him go. Two weeks after, that woman was murdered. Automatically they went and picked the black gun. They ran every test on him but they couldn't see anyting and left him pending further evidences. Then there was the neighbour of this woman, he was so concerned and was always going to harrass the police that by then there should have found a lead.

When it was becoming too much, the police decided to run a test on him. The man turned out to be the one who killed the woman.

What are you implying?

Segun, I am not implying, I am telling you Dele Giwa's colleagues killed him. Kayode Soyinka is a principal actor in the death of Dele Giwa. I raised an eight page document four days after Dele Giwa died from evidence available to me, from newspapers, from television and so on. Kayode has a lot to do with Dele Giwa's death. There are so many things not clear about that man. And if somebody dies, he ran away and was not ready to assist in getting to the root of the death of his colleagues, then something is wrong. And Ray Ekpu and others too. Their hands are not clean. Omoben mentioned it in TheNews magazine. He was pointing accusing fingers at Newswatch. That they refused to show up. Everybody knew the time the police appealed to the whole country that they should help them appeal to Newswatch to assist. I have this documents which is chapter 10 of Omeben's book. Somebody gave it to me about ten days ago in Abuja. I went through it and it confirmed my own findings. That document was forwarded to the police, I don't know why they did not look at it. So this is a case in which evidences abound. The problem is that if I hit your car from the rear, traffic regulations say I am wrong. But you know if I jump out of my car and start shouting, blaming the other driver for the incident, automatically people will jump to conclusion by urging him to give me a certain amount of money for damage.

The fact that people were shouting since 1986 does not mean the truth will forever be crushed. You must know that that time Akilu and I were to be seen not to be heard. We were civil servants, we were not supposed to talk to the press. And in the security world, it is even worse, we are to be seen and not to be heard. That does not mean that because people have been shouting that they are right. In fact I am writing a book now on Dele Giwa. How could somebody die and in a few minutes some people had already concluded it is so so people that did it. Who investigated it? That must have entered the Guinness Book of Records as the fastest Modern Investigation in the world.

Is it because this man shouted, therefore that it is true? Let them investigate these people. I have some revelations I can give right away.

What are the revelations?

This is the Guardian Newspapers October 23 1986. "What Happened, by Soyinka, the Blast Survivor", the same thing with Punch of October 23 1986. They said the same thing. This was Kayode Soyinka, that is a day before that October 23, giving details of what happened. This is the way it was reported in all the papers but I quote from the Punch: "he hadn't opened it at all to let us see what the brown envelop contained. And that was the last he knows of the incident. I was thrown out to the other side of the room. It was though I had an electric shock. As I am talking to you now, I don't know where my glasses went, I was tossed firmly on the floor. I lost consciousness, but I regained it suddenly. I saw this very big fire and this colossal flame. It was then that it dawned on me that something must have happened. I tried to drag myself out of the room, but I felt being dragged back into unconsciousness. But I got out of the room. I was limping, I couldn't talk, I lost sense of everything that was going on. So I rushed out, I got to the sitting room where I saw Dele's wife who had also heard the blast and was on her way in that direction."

That was Kayode Soyinka's account. Again, Newswatch in their account said the room was filled with smoke. Gani Fawehinmi's account said Funmi said the room was filled with smoke and saw her husband with fire burning his night shirt. This is National Concord of October 20, Look at Dele Giwa's study, look at the damages. But Kayode said the room collapsed without no single scratch on his body. I raised this issue sometime ago and Kayode replied that as the son of a reverend gentleman, I didn't believe in miracles. I don't believe in such miracle, somebody sitting with his friend and not getting a scratch and yet his friend died.

Again, Funmi said the room was filled with smoke, the same account that Newswatch gave. Kayode said he was unconscious but for how long? He also said he was being dragged back into consciousness. My friend, with the smoke filling that room, that man would have died. If you inhale smoke too much, the lung would collapse.

He also claimed that he came out limping and then rushed out. How can you rush out when you are limping? Why can't people sit down and analyse this thing objectively? If you are limping, it is either when he was thrown off, he had a sprain on the knee or in the ankle or a dislocation. suddenly, he rushed out, so the thing just healed. Like he said, I don't believe in miracles, so the miracle happened again. The dislocation just healed and he rushed out. And Kayode still met Funmi in the sitting room. Funmi heard a blast and Kayode still met her in the sitting room just trying to go to the sitting-room. From the analysis, from everything I have been reading, that room was adjacent to the study. Kayode was unconscious before he regained consciousness. And all the time, Funmi was still watching television after she heard the blast until Kayode met her in the room.

Look at Punch of October 24, look at Funmi's right hand, you can see the photograph her hand was bandaged and Kayode didn't get any wound. What happened? The miracle that didn't allow Kayode to have any wound, that miracle didn't happen to Funmi. How was she who was somewhere else get injured? How did she get her wound?

But what gave me an idea was the Guardian Express of October 26. It published a new clue, that it could have been a time bomb or remote controlled. Could it be the reason why Kayode didn't have a scratch? Kayode could have activated it and walked out and that was why he was able to meet Funmi in the sitting room after the blast.

Again, from newspaper reports, Kayode said 'When I saw him, the bomb must have had serious impact on his thighs'. When did Kayode observe him? He was unconscious according to his personal account, then he regained consciousness, tried to drag himself out of the room, he was falling back into unconsciousness, then suddenly he found himself up, started limping and then rushed out. He said he was not hearing well, how did he get on to the BBC because he claimed that his ear drums were affected. There is nobody in the world that can repair it. They can only give hearing aid. Ear drum is a membrane, how did it heal within two or three days after the incident? Another miracle? Let Kayode Soyinka bring his medical report and tell the world where he was treated.

Now Kayode came from overseas, he said when he saw the envelope, it looked like a padded envelope. In 1986, I said the police should check and I checked, there was no padded envelope in the whole of Lagos. Newswatch confirmed because it said "How did a parcel bomb find its way into the shores of this country without the knowledge of the security operations & government?" So it confirmed that that thing came from outside the country and their man came from London.

Dan Agbese and all of them should tell the whole world how many days before that time did Kayode come in from London.

Has he been putting up in Dele Giwa's house.

Why did he put up in his house at this particular occasion? Newswatch confirmed and Kayode confirmed. Kayode bought a nightie for Dele Giwa and the two of them put the same thing on. The Information reaching me is that the fabric of that nightie is the type that when it catches fire, it melts into the body like rubber. Kayode described a colossal flame and a big fire. He was in the same place and the fire didn't catch his own nightie.

In 1986, Kayode said he was thrown to the other side of the room. In 1999, he said the chair he was sitting on collapsed completely. He was sitting close to Dele. Dele was on the ground so his own chair too collapsed after the blast. Therefore Kayode bought him the nightie and that was why when Newswatch was even describing it said there was severe burn on the area from the waist up to the chest. That was the nightie that burnt and melted on his body. And why did Kayode not submit his dress to the police for forensic test. The police should have checked, they will see traces of debris and blood on his fabric. If Kayode was in that room, they will smell smoke on his dress, they will smell the odour of the bomb. Why didn't he submit himself to the police, why did he run away?

The whole world was told that they didn't know where Kayode was. Ray Ekpu and co. knew where he was. How can Newswatch tell the whole world that they know nothing about Dele Giwa's death?

November 5 , 1986, Punch published this article. The news conference by the Newswatch Board of Directors was on November 4 where they dissociated themselves from Gani. Here what the report said; "Newswatch directors have dissociated themselves from Chief Gani Fawehimi's move to prosecute two military officers for the alleged murder of Dele Giwa. In an emergency press conference addressed by the acting chairman of the Board, Alhaji Abdulazeez Ude and attended by all other directors, the Newswatch said Chief Fawehimi's action was hasty, ill-termed and capable of affecting police investigation into the matter. We wish to state categorically that chief Fawehinmi does not have our authority or that of the family to proceed on what is considered as hasty and ill-termed action.

"What Fawehinmi has done is jumping the gun. His action can have the effect of aborting investigation and depriving Nigerians of the opportunity of knowing the result of police investigation. According to the directors, Dele Giwa's assassination was a serious one and should be thoroughly investigated without undue haste. Although Newswatch acknowledged that Chief Fawehinmi had represented the magazine on several cases, they said he is one of the council whose services were employed, stressing that the counsel should have received the consent of Newswatch and that of the Giwa family."

From my understanding of this thing, the Newswatch Board of Directors had faith in police investigation. But Newswatch magazine of December 15, 1986, page 19 and 20 stated "the next Monday, November 17, the police came again to ask Ekpu about Soyinka. They said that they had some questions for him about the statements he made on the previous Saturday. A letter signed by a Kaltungo, a Deputy Commissioner of police was delivered to Ekpu asking Soyinka to report to the their office on Wednesday November 19. Ekpu replied the letter same day. The article is now quoting Ekpu. "I am sure you are aware that Mr. Soyinka does not work here. He works in our London Office and only came here on an official business which will not have lasted beyond one week.

But because of the tragic incident which affected his health, he stayed here for about a month leaving the office unmanned for the period. You may wish to reach him through the address of our London office" Ekpu then gave the London address of Newswatch and also the telephone and telex numbers to the police. Yet less than two weeks before, he was that press conference where Gani's action was regarded as hasty. Look at the wordings, look at the reply Ray Ekpu gave, is that somebody who was ready to co-operate with the police. He said to London office is unmanned. It shows that all along Ray Ekpu and others knew Soyinka's whereabouts but they were hiding him, telling the world they didn't know where he was.

They cannot also say Kayode Soyinka was the only man at their London office. There should be somebody who could be carrying out the job while Soyinka was helping the police. My reasoning is that the man was at a safe place and activated the remote control and bombed Dele. That was why he didn't have any scratch.

You see, the truth is permanent, it is constant. But this man has given more than three different versions o what happened that day. He gave another one to Omeben if you read chapter ten of his book. And let Ray Ekpu and Kayode tell the whole world how long Kayode remained in Newswatch after the death of Dele Giwa. So it is not a matter of somebody shouting at the roof top, I have more facts. Let Gani bring out his own. It is not a matter of going up and down, if he wants to go Oputa panel to go and dance that is his problem but I believe we must find Dele Giwa's killers and he is not helping matters.

Oputa panel is to reconcile victims of human right abuses.

How do you reconcile somebody who killed somebody with the relations of the murdered. This is not a matter of the constitution. It is a matter of finding out who killed Dele Giwa and bringing them to books. Why did Ekpu and Newswatch not get Soyinka to come down? So, I believe this case should go back to the police. Let them re-investigation. I have a million and one unanswered questions on the issue. And I submitted these things since 1986. Four or five days after Giwa's death, I raised an eight page questionnaire of areas of doubt.

In Omeben's biography, he put it point blank. Again, in the book, he wrote that he was told that when the parcel came Kayode excused himself to go to toilet. A journalist who ought to be curious about an alleged letter from the C-in-C yet he went to toilet to do what? What is tragic about this matter is the way Gani has bastardized the process. He has not allowed the police to do their work because he had a mindset, he believed he knew the killers because it had to be Akilu and Togun. His mind is closed on that. Gani Fawehinmi at the supreme court made some statements. Let me quote from what a Supreme Court Justice said when Judgement was given on March 6, "Chief Fawehinmi again asked the rhetorical question, what would the common man in the street think when the court allows the assailants to go on with his libel case while a case is pending". This is what Gani said to their lordship. The reply by the Judge was that "the obvious answer to that question is that a decision on the various aspects of this appeal does not rest on the views of the common man but on the legal interpretation of the Nigerian Constitution and on other laws of the nation. However, it must be stated that if Chief Fawehinmi's argument represents one views of the common man, the other side of the coin should also be considered. Indeed, Other common men are entitled to ask why the prosecution of the defendant for a crime that you have presented a relentless litigation in the law court and if the facts are so clear, why has it been so difficult to prosecute."

Does Gani say that from the High Court to the Appeal Court and the Supreme Court all the judges there are armed robbers?

Even when the Supreme Court in 1987, allowed Gani's plea, Justice Obaseki gave the lead judgement. Justice Kayode Eso quoted the Appeal Court that "it is the public interest that indeed complicates the problems of the court in such a case. Yet what the judges are bound and have sworn to administer is Justice according to law, completely devoid of bias or sentiment. I agree that neither bias nor sentiment should filter into justice. Indeed once that happens, it ceases to be justice."

The death of Dele Giwa is a painfull one, it is a serious issue. But Gani and Newswatch have turned it into a comedy, they have turned it into a circus for the entertainment of the public.

Let all these people submit themselves for investigation. Let them bring their own evidence. I am going to carry all these ones. Let Akilu bring his own, let Omeben bring his own.

Kayode killed Dele Giwa and to the knowledge of Ray Ekpu and co. That is my submission and I have evidences to that.

So if you know all these, why are you shying away from going to the Oputa Panel?

Oputa Panel is to reconcile people. The way I understand their terms of reference, they are to investigate abuses of fundamental rights. But that is not why I am not going there. If I go there, I have enough evidences to prove. Even Newswatch cleared me. It said here in their petition to Oputa: " Giwa was invited over a column he wrote on the introduction of the second tier foreign exchange market by the Babangida administration. He was ushered into the office of the office A. Togun, then colonel in the Nigerian Army and Deputy Director of the SSS. After some discussion, Togun said he did not find anything offensive about Giwa's column."

So, why did Togun become a lion, a leopard the second time. You are saying that when Dele Giwa got there the second time Togun was not found, who was there. People just sit and fabricate stories. They planned to kill Dele Giwa and they used his invitation at that time to build a case. Why was Gani telling Dele Giwa to document everything. Dele Giwa went to a party, I read it in the papers, Kayode Soyinka was with him. Nobody focused on that, what happened there, at 4 am with Kayode Soyinka. Who are the others there, what did they discuss there?

All these things are relevant in crime investigation. After Akilu phoned, one Dr. Ajayi phoned, why didn't they tell us what Dr. Ajayi discussed. Kayode also told us that Dele Giwa also phoned Akilu that day. What did they discuss. Even if he couldn't pick what they were saying, he would have an idea of what they were discussing.

Did they allow police access to his study? Somebody even observed that it was too fast getting a successor for Dele Giwa.

But I ask again, why don't you go to Oputa Panel

Talking about the Oputa Panel. Let us be realistic, you don't go and send people to be cheering you up. People go there to clap and insult people. Somebody was almost lynched. Are people focusing on human rights abuses at the panel?

Look at the case of Sabo. Sabo is a retired military officer.

He knows the power conferred on the Army Council. The army council can tell anybody to leave the army any day any time when your services are no longer required. Sabo was Director of Military Intelligence. They said people accused them of planning a coup. It was General Bamaiyi who told Abubakar. The man set up a panel. They Investigated. Sabo knows that when that kind of thing happens those people involved become men of doubtful character and as such cannot be allowed to remain in the military. I think what is disturbing Sabo is that he was retired. That is why he is saying all kinds of things against Abubakar. How is award of contract by Abubakar become an abuse of fundamental right? Are they telling me that the presidency is not in a position to investigate and tell Abubakar to refund money? This is somebody going out for a vendetta because he was retired by Abubakar. Mustapha is telling the whole world that he gave some millions of dollars to Abubakar. He said the money was contributed by companies to make sure Abacha become civilian president. I think Mustapha has abused the fundamental rights of every Nigerian by encouraging and being involved in stage managing a president for the country.

It is not the place of Oputa Panel to investigate how Abubakar spent money. Let the presidency investigate fraud. Let them set up a panel to investigate fraud

Sabo, in one of the papers is claiming that some people killed his son. Oputa Panel is not to investigate murder. Let Sabo complain to the police. Let them investigate. That is not meant for Oputa Panel. That is not abuse of fundamental human rights. But Sabo at the same time when he is complaining should tell the whole world that the son in question was a sickler. His son was a sickler and he wanted his son in the NDA knowing the strain in NDA. Let Sabo deny. And let him tell the world about the strenuous training before one becomes an army officer and then relate it to a sickler. You see people are just going to that place to dance and make people clap for them, they are mere entertainers. I have no time for such people. Let the Police re-open the case file of Dele Giwa's murder.